Jul 27, 2022 13:41
2 yrs ago
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French term
ligne propre- eigenline
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Electronics / Elect Eng
superconductors
Context:
Les premières portions 50 des conducteurs 30A, 30B sont décalées successivement selon la deuxième direction Y les unes par rapport aux autres. Par exemple, chaque première portion 50 s’étend selon une ligne propre, les lignes propres étant parallèles entre elles.
PR task and suspicious about this particular translation:
The first portions 50 of the conductors 30A, 30B are successively offset according to the second direction Y relative to each other. For example, each first portion 50 extends according to an eigenline, the eigenlines being parallel to each other.
The subject matter is: Device comprising Josephson junctions
TIA Chris.
Les premières portions 50 des conducteurs 30A, 30B sont décalées successivement selon la deuxième direction Y les unes par rapport aux autres. Par exemple, chaque première portion 50 s’étend selon une ligne propre, les lignes propres étant parallèles entre elles.
PR task and suspicious about this particular translation:
The first portions 50 of the conductors 30A, 30B are successively offset according to the second direction Y relative to each other. For example, each first portion 50 extends according to an eigenline, the eigenlines being parallel to each other.
The subject matter is: Device comprising Josephson junctions
TIA Chris.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +2 | separate/different line | philgoddard |
2 | eigenline | Conor McAuley |
References
clue | liz askew |
Paralel lines & Josephson junctions | Daryo |
Proposed translations
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2 hrs
French term (edited):
ligne propre
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separate/different line
I don't believe a complex mathematical abstraction fits the context. Surely, as the previous sentence indicates, it's just describing their physical alignment.
My examples come from a different context, but I believe they support my answer.
Chaldée s'est développée suivant une ligne propre
http://books.google.com.sv/books?id=fDHTpL4VL18C&pg=PR48&lpg... une ligne propre"&f=false
Chaque section cantonale s'est développée en suivant une ligne propre
http://solidarite-internationale-pcf.fr/article-36666650.htm...
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"A separate line" could be translated into German as "eine eigene Linie", so maybe that's where the confusion has arisen.
My examples come from a different context, but I believe they support my answer.
Chaldée s'est développée suivant une ligne propre
http://books.google.com.sv/books?id=fDHTpL4VL18C&pg=PR48&lpg... une ligne propre"&f=false
Chaque section cantonale s'est développée en suivant une ligne propre
http://solidarite-internationale-pcf.fr/article-36666650.htm...
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"A separate line" could be translated into German as "eine eigene Linie", so maybe that's where the confusion has arisen.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you."
1 hr
eigenline
I've found one source with all the necessary elements...I don't know if it quite rates as a guess.
https://www.emis.de/journals/SIGMA/2017/054/
Like writeaway, maths and very advanced physics and me, well, ughhh, really.
But all the right words are on that web page!
Good you've asked the client.
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Chris, well, I posted the answer supposing a situation where you had nothing else to go on, even though I did know that you had asked the client at that point.
I would rely on this reference and I would also go for "eigenline" based on the fact that the translator has made a really big call by going for this translation and not for something literal, the easy way out, so it can probably be assumed s/he knew what s/he was doing.
https://www.emis.de/journals/SIGMA/2017/054/
Like writeaway, maths and very advanced physics and me, well, ughhh, really.
But all the right words are on that web page!
Good you've asked the client.
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Chris, well, I posted the answer supposing a situation where you had nothing else to go on, even though I did know that you had asked the client at that point.
I would rely on this reference and I would also go for "eigenline" based on the fact that the translator has made a really big call by going for this translation and not for something literal, the easy way out, so it can probably be assumed s/he knew what s/he was doing.
Note from asker:
Client response: way above my head, no idea, good luck. Ans she is usually very good at answering my questions. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Bourth
: I've seen enough eigenvalues, eigenmodes and eigenvectors in my time for this to be highly plausible.
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Thanks CadastreToulous! That's my point, really, the translator has made a big call, so if there's no other info available...
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disagree |
Daryo
: makes no sense in this text. These are just plain "parallel lines" - can't se anything resembling an "eigenvalue" nor an "eigenvector" of dimension 1.
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Reference comments
2 hrs
Reference:
clue
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/mathematics-sta...
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Valeurs propres et vecteurs propres
https://stringfixer.com › Eigensystem
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En algèbre linéaire , un vecteur propre ( / aɪ ɡ ə n ˌ v ɛ k t ər / ) ou vecteur ... The eigenvectors associated with these complex eigenvalues are also ...
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Valeurs propres et vecteurs propres
https://stringfixer.com › Eigensystem
· Translate this page
En algèbre linéaire , un vecteur propre ( / aɪ ɡ ə n ˌ v ɛ k t ər / ) ou vecteur ... The eigenvectors associated with these complex eigenvalues are also ...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral |
Daryo
: yes, but THAT version of "ligne propre [/ vecteur propre / valeur propre]" makes no sense in this text, whichever way you try.
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Reference:
Paralel lines & Josephson junctions
Josephson junction array chip developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology as a standard volt
Josephson effect
In physics, the Josephson effect is a phenomenon that occurs when two superconductors are placed in proximity, with some barrier or restriction between them. It is an example of a macroscopic quantum phenomenon, where the effects of quantum mechanics are observable at ordinary, rather than atomic, scale. The Josephson effect has many practical applications because it exhibits a precise relationship between different physics quantities, such as voltage and frequency, facilitating highly accurate measurements.
The Josephson effect produces a current, known as a supercurrent, that flows continuously without any voltage applied, across a device known as a Josephson junction (JJ). These consist of two or more superconductors coupled by a weak link. The weak link can be a thin insulating barrier (known as a superconductor–insulator–superconductor junction, or S-I-S), a short section of non-superconducting metal (S-N-S), or a physical constriction that weakens the superconductivity at the point of contact (S-c-S).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_effect
Espaces propres, multiplicité géométrique et base propre
Étant donné une valeur propre λ , considérons l'ensemble
{displaystyle E=left{mathbf {v} :T(mathbf {v} )=lambda mathbf {v} right},}
qui est l'union du vecteur nul avec l'ensemble de tous les vecteurs propres associés à λ . E est appelé espace propre ou espace caractéristique de T associé à λ .
Par définition d'une transformation linéaire,
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Ainsi, u + v et α v sont soit des vecteurs nuls, soit des vecteurs propres de T associés à λ , à savoir u + v , α v ∈ E , et E est fermé sous addition et multiplication scalaire. Le sous - espace E associé à λ est donc un sous - espace linéaire de V . [40] Si ce sous-espace a la dimension 1, on l'appelle parfois une ligne propre . [41]
https://stringfixer.com/fr/Eigenvalue
Note from asker:
Thank you. Good to have someone with expert knowledge of very advanced physics. |
Discussion
How can we be sure that these "propres lignes" are related to the physics of superconductors rather than just the geometry or layout? Without more context, I would think "eigenline" unlikely.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=ihlHEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA504&lpg=P...
Math 240: Eigenlines of Linear Systems
https://www.math.ksu.edu › ~albin › labs › 10_eigenlines
Nov 4, 2017 — A nonzero vector v → is called an eigenvector of a matrix A if there is a number λ such that A v → = λ v → .
How to find the eigenline equation - Math Stack Exchange
https://math.stackexchange.com › questions › how-to-fi...
Apr 20, 2015 — I don't know what the word, "eigenline" means. · After some searching, it looks like an eigenline is simply a one dimensional eigenspace. · the ..
https://books.google.fr/books?id=ihlHEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA504&lpg=P...
I did find this:
eigenline - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org › wiki › eigenline
NounEdit. eigenline (plural eigenlines). (mathematics) A one-dimensional eigenspace.
I can't help out more than this. It's way over my head.