Why I don't plan to renew my Proz subscription Thread poster: Luciana Capisani
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Hi everyone,
The message below just left me speechless. Apologies for the rant, but I've had it with job offers about helping XYZ improve their AI. I have been receiving such offers from the "big players" that gloat about how wonderful the state of localization is right now and the bright future ahead, but their offers are usually around $10-12.
I can't help but think Proz should have a system in place to prevent such messages from reaching paying members. Who in their... See more Hi everyone,
The message below just left me speechless. Apologies for the rant, but I've had it with job offers about helping XYZ improve their AI. I have been receiving such offers from the "big players" that gloat about how wonderful the state of localization is right now and the bright future ahead, but their offers are usually around $10-12.
I can't help but think Proz should have a system in place to prevent such messages from reaching paying members. Who in their right mind will pay for a subscription for the privilege of receiving such offers?
And please, let's not talk about how someone somewhere will see $4 per hour as a gift from heaven. A professional translator will have spent a considerable amount of money to be able to offer professional services (and this specific company requires at least 6 years of experience!).
If Proz really believes they have no responsibility over the offers made through their (paid!) platform it is definitely time for me to go (after 20 years of membership).
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Dear Linguist,
As a Prompt/Response Evaluator, participants will be at the forefront of ensuring the accuracy and relevance of AI-generated responses. The key responsibility includes evaluating prompts and responses for a variety of task types. This role is instrumental in training our AI model to deliver exceptional service to users.
Languages available: Indian English, Irish English, Canadian English, Mandarin Chinese (Putonghua, Beijing standard accent), Hinglish, Marathi,Telugu, Lahnda Punjabi (Pakistan), Egyptian Arabic, Thai, Kannada, Malayalam, Taiwanese Mandarin, Dutch, Morocco Maghrebi Arabic, Algeria Maghrebi Arabic, Gujarati, Odia, Majhi Punjabi (India), Swahili, Jordan Southern Levantine Arabic, Lebanon Northern Levantine Arabic, Amoy Hokkien (Fujian province), Shanghainese, Taiwanese Hokkien, Haitian Creole, Meixian dialect Hakka, Singlish
The payment is based on the time spent for each accepted task and is calculated per hour which is 4 USD.
Note: You will be required to show government ID such as a driver’s license and date of birth on a customer call.
To work with us long term, please share the below details through email to hr@explorelocalization.com
First Name:
Surname:
Language:
Current City of Residence:
Current Country of Residence:
Years of Linguistic Experience (should be more than 6 yrs):
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| | | | Keith Jackson 
France
Local time: 02:43
Member (2017)
French to English
| An exploitative gig, but... | Mar 11 |
It's certainly an exploitative gig disguised as a linguistic job. They want to train AI cheaply while undervaluing human expertise. I agree that it doesn't have a place on Proz. Does ProZ need to step up in this instance? Not sure. Caveat lector, and all that, as the OP has demonstrated.
I'm pretty sure that Proz already vets the jobs it allows to be posted. I have seen some job posts taken down. There are certainly more that never appear in the first place. And scammy AI gig... See more It's certainly an exploitative gig disguised as a linguistic job. They want to train AI cheaply while undervaluing human expertise. I agree that it doesn't have a place on Proz. Does ProZ need to step up in this instance? Not sure. Caveat lector, and all that, as the OP has demonstrated.
I'm pretty sure that Proz already vets the jobs it allows to be posted. I have seen some job posts taken down. There are certainly more that never appear in the first place. And scammy AI gigs and exploitative rates will keep showing up until regardless. ▲ Collapse
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...expect proz to generate more appropriate jobs than the one mentioned above. And they should also turn back time and in the morning they should serve me hot chocolate and some fried eggs for breakfast, before I start my day as a translator for direct clients only hired exclusively only for me from Syracuse.
| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 02:43
Member (2009)
English to Croatian
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When AI first appeared with prompt writing/evaluation jobs (about 1-2 years ago), the same type of job paid $40/hr, and now it’s knocked down to $4/hr. I did some of those at the beginning, was quite easy to reach $1.6k/week. It seems like now there are too many people in the chain who want their cut of the cake.
[Edited at 2025-03-11 20:21 GMT]
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The core ProZ offer does not feel relevant to my business any longer.
[Edited at 2025-03-12 08:43 GMT]
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I had membership last year and I cancelled it. This website, as well as half of the internet, is full with scammers, imposters, spammers, so paying membership for me is like paying racket to someone. When I had membership I could see the IPs that have visited my profile, and guess what, the same IPs are trying to break into my email. Microsoft account has the same thing for viewing IPs, you know. The worst thing is that this website don't even bother to do something about the security of the mem... See more I had membership last year and I cancelled it. This website, as well as half of the internet, is full with scammers, imposters, spammers, so paying membership for me is like paying racket to someone. When I had membership I could see the IPs that have visited my profile, and guess what, the same IPs are trying to break into my email. Microsoft account has the same thing for viewing IPs, you know. The worst thing is that this website don't even bother to do something about the security of the members, paid or not paid, for example 2FA. And also the true job offers for my language pair are rare. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Baran Keki
Türkiye
Local time: 03:43
Member
English to Turkish
I received this email from Proz yesterday. Never mind the "AI training" bit, just check out the name of the company. It says it all.
Upwork (the bottom-feeders' paradise) is asking fellow bottom-feeders through the good offices of Proz.com to help create an environment in which more bottom-feeders can join their ranks and the notion, even the memory, of "decent work with decent pay" is all but destroyed.
Thank you Proz!
Now the question is, are supposed to call those people who will apply to this ad in their hundreds, if not in their thousands, our "colleagues" or are we allowed to call them something else?
| | | | | Simply resources... | Mar 13 |
Baran Keki wrote:
Now the question is, are supposed to call those people who will apply to this ad in their hundreds, if not in their thousands, our "colleagues" or are we allowed to call them something else?
...like wood, electricity and water.
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| Let's not forget the urgent "pro bono" jobs | Mar 16 |
This is a job now here at Proz. The most interesting is the last part:
Job description:
Dear Applicant,
A qualified native Spanish Translator, from Latin/Central America is needed for an urgent translation assignment.
Word count: approximately 50,000 words
Kindly send your best rates and resume to info@rivatontranslators.com
Regards.
Payment t... See more This is a job now here at Proz. The most interesting is the last part:
Job description:
Dear Applicant,
A qualified native Spanish Translator, from Latin/Central America is needed for an urgent translation assignment.
Word count: approximately 50,000 words
Kindly send your best rates and resume to info@rivatontranslators.com
Regards.
Payment terms: 30 days from the order date.
Poster country: Kenya
Service provider targeting (specified by job poster):
Membership: Non-members may quote after 12 hours
Subject field: Medical: Health Care
Quoting deadline: Mar 20, 2025 14:00 CST (GMT-6) (GMT: Mar 20, 2025 20:00)
Delivery deadline: Apr 4, 2025 15:00 CST (GMT-6) (GMT: Apr 4, 2025 21:00)
Additional requirements:
-ability to use CAT tools
-Experienced
-General Knowledge as per the the subject tittle: Public Health
Contact method:
The outsourcer has chosen to be contacted via email.
This is a pro bono job. Usually, pro bono job offers do not involve payment, but ask for volunteer work. Read the job description carefully before submitting your quote. ▲ Collapse
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...too to the other sites, those hilarious offers, should there be any other "quality" platform one day. I assume that also members of translators associations with their exclusive right to advertise on those sites are bothered by bottom feeders.
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