FPC Sep 8, 2022:

Drmanu I disagree with your disagreeing with Phil about self-injurious behavior, which is not a given and not necessary to define destructive behavior. Otherwise, as said I think your proposal is fine.
https://www.autismeinfoservice.fr/adapter/professionnels-san...

Drmanu49 Sep 8, 2022:

Well I disagree with Phil on that one there is evidence that it could also be self destructive behavior. And BTW I don't need to "reproduce" any other answerI do my own research.

FPC Sep 8, 2022:

Just a note In autism we speak of meltdowns when talking about strong emotional crises with outbursts and often impressive presentations. Now I gave my vote to Drmanu as the French original (which hadn't occured to me immediately) meant ""clastique", which of course refers to breaking stuff. Now what I just want to add is that destructive behavior is factually correct and I would certainly endorse that translation but while more specific is at the same time more general, as it can also occur, still in autistic people, without a meltdown. Put simply an autisti person, especially a child, as countless parents know can also destroy property without the particular emotional upheaval that is a meltdown. At the same time of course a meltdown can just be very intense with powerful manifestations without the person breaking any stuff. The point is (and the translator may know) if the stress is on the cause of the destructive behaviour being an irrepressible outpouring of intense emotions in the form of a meltdown, maybe it's woth mentioning alongside "destructive behavior".

philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:

Samuël did the most important work in this question by realizing that "élastique" is a mistake. Liz provided a correct answer. I think Dr Manu is cashing in by reproducing Samuël's explanation and Liz's answer.
He has also changed his answer to "self-injurious behavior". There is no evidence for this, and I believe it's wrong. Emmanuella's reference from Larousse says: "Se dit d'une crise violente marquée par des bris d'objets".

Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:

When I don't understand a word, I check in the dictionary.

https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/clastique/164...

philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:

Thanks! "Clastic crisis" appears on page 156 of your reference. The book is a translation, and I don't think anyone will understand this. I picture some nineteenth-century French psychologist trying to come up with a fancy way of saying "breaks things", and rubbing their hands with glee when they find this.

Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:

En effet, bravo à tous les deux.
cf. https://books.google.com/books/about/Adverse_Drug_Reactions....

philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:

Wiktionary From Ancient Greek κλαστός (klastós, “broken in pieces”), from κλάω (kláō, “to break”) +‎ -ic.

philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:

I think Samuël has it with "clastique", hidden away at the end of his answer. It looks like this often gets misrendered as "élastique". Fascinating!
In geology, clastic rocks are made up of fragments of other rocks, which must be the connection with breaking things.
And then of course there's "iconoclastic".

Cristina Bufi Poecksteiner, M.A. Sep 8, 2022:

every child has meltdowns (and tantrums) “What can I do if my child has a meltdown?
Meltdowns are an involuntary emotional response to their senses being overwhelmed. They’re different from tantrums, which usually have a purpose, and are a response to not getting or being able to do what they want. When having a meltdown, your child will be looking to you to help them regain control of their feelings.” https://parents.actionforchildren.org.uk/behaviour/challengi...

Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:

Ici, on parle ' d'agitation élastique'.
https://books.google.com/books/about/L_autisme_attrapé_par_l...

FPC Sep 8, 2022:

Crise "autistique" Crise "elastique" is odd. t could be a mistake, and they meant AUTISTIQUE, especially if it's a transcritpion. I know a bit about autism and I've never heard elastique. But the term for an autistic emotional crisis, in general is 'meltdown' as I said in my suggestion.

Samuël Buysschaert Sep 8, 2022:

HTH/Fwiw "Article 2 - Les réactions émotionnelles |Colère
La crise élastique se caractérise par l'extrême violence avec activité de destruction sans intention précise." (p.138)

"1.7 - L'activité psychomotrice
Fureur maniaque : colère extrême avec perte totale du contrôle réflexif, agitation dangereuse et élastique, c'est-à-dire avec bris d'objets et de matériel." (p.151)

"des crises élastiques (bris de matériel)" (p.207)

"Le qualificatif de élastique (crise élastique ou colère
élastique) désigne une activité de destruction sans intention précise
à type de bris d'objets et de matériels." (p.224)
http://livre21.com/LIVREF/F5/F005081.pdf
Nouveau Précis de Sémiologie des troubles psychiques
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Crise clastique ?
"crise au cours de laquelle le sujet devient violent et brise des objets."
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crise_clastique
https://www.cairn.info/revue-la-psychiatrie-de-l-enfant-2016...